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sid6.8
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
72 Posts
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 Posted - Jan 25 2005 : 7:41:14 PM
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Hi guys,
It’s me again. As a few of you know, I have recently acquired three Fujitsu Stylistic 3400 PC in various states of repair, thanks to eBay. Having toyed with stream-lining OS installs of win 2K (http://www.tabletpcbuzz.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21376) I have it down to about an hour and a half {without the stupid 12 million download and reboots of getting all the windows updates}, every driver/ device working perfect.
What I have observed is that the hardware is very stable under 2K, Very stable, more stable than my desktop.
I have decided which is my “keeper” and which are to be liquidated, and I expect my new, big, kickass hard drive to arrive in the next day or so and plan on only one more install for the near future
All this has been the prep for my real question…
While I have no worries that I can get XP installed and tuned without any trouble, should I?
I am looking for some input from anybody who is running XP on a 3400/3500, forget the install, once you got it right, did it perform as good as Win2K, I understand that this old hag is only a 400Mhz, can it hang with the new dogs???
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The_Giz
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
55 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu P510's
Fujitsu 3400
Fujitsu 3500 |
Posted - Jan 25 2005 : 8:04:46 PM
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There are quite a few threads regarding the installation of XP (not the tablet edition) on the 3400 and 3500's.
From personal experience I can tell you that it runs quite well on the 3400. Better on the 3500.
Screen rotation and penmon have always been a pain on the 3400's under XP, and if you can get that nailed you are doing quite good. IMHO it's quite a bit easier on the 3500 with the ATI graphics chipset.
Once I got my configs working I ghosted the drives to a network archive. I've got fully functional configs for 98SE, NT, W2K, and XP (for both the 3400 and 3500). I can go from one setup to any other in about 30 minutes. Right now I'm certainly sticking with XP (192MB on the 3400's and 256MB on the 3500's).
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sid6.8
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
72 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu Stylistic 3400
Barbie(tm) Magnadoodle |
Posted - Jan 25 2005 : 8:24:59 PM
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I concur, getting it working is not my concern....
I am asking for votes, from people who have used both win 2K and XP. would you pick one or the other and why.
Mostly, with the limited processor and memory of the 3400 [400/192], do the beneifts of XP out weigh the increased load?
I will take your vote as XP. |
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Northern_Rebel
Tablet PC Philosopher
USA
334 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Toshiba 3505, Fujitsu Stylistic ST4110,
Acer C100,
Fujitsu LT-C500,
Fujitsu ST3400S (indoor/outdoor). |
Posted - Jan 25 2005 : 10:13:33 PM
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| I use XP on my 3400. I found it more stable than win2k. Keeping in mind the 400 processor I never tryed to make it work horse. If I really wanted to work it hard I would go back to 98SE. |
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sid6.8
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
72 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu Stylistic 3400
Barbie(tm) Magnadoodle |
Posted - Jan 26 2005 : 9:44:57 PM
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I am kind of looking for something to replace my PPC, coincidentally, the 3400 has the same proc speed as my current PPC, if I can stand the increased weight/size I am hoping that it can hang and not be a dog.
The convenience will be worth the extra size and weight for the added features of a whole PC.
This decision, is strangely similar to a previous decision…I remember my excuse for switching from the palm to the PPC; “it has a full version of excel”, “and, windows shares” oddly, those are still good arguments.
Well my drive should be here in a day or two, no thanks to the eBay’r who sat on it like an egg for fifteen days between confirmed payment and shipping. “I see a little negative feedback in your future!”
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sid6.8
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
72 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu Stylistic 3400
Barbie(tm) Magnadoodle |
Posted - Jan 30 2005 : 07:32:36 AM
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Well I did it. XP went on easy as possible, the only exception was, my script for installing the SAS/ctrl-alt-del soft-hardware fouled. This was because XP´s system directory is "windows" not "winnt" as I thought.
Other than XP and Office 2003 making my 20gig drive seem a little cramped everything is running smooth.
Also, I thouoght to myself,what diversions(read games) would work nicely with a pen only. So, I installed classic Diablo with the no CD hack, works awesome. Unfortunatly, I couldn't get classic Myst to run. The hold up is that the video driver under XP will not allow me to reduce the color pallete to 256 as isrequired by the game. Any ideas?
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The_Giz
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
55 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu P510's
Fujitsu 3400
Fujitsu 3500 |
Posted - Jan 30 2005 : 08:07:42 AM
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Did you get screen rotation (w/ pen tracking) to work on the Trident?
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sid6.8
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
72 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu Stylistic 3400
Barbie(tm) Magnadoodle |
Posted - Jan 30 2005 : 11:39:52 AM
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Yeah, everything is at 100%. Of course, I still haven’t figured out case sensitivity with PenX but it does work.
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sid6.8
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
72 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu Stylistic 3400
Barbie(tm) Magnadoodle |
Posted - Jan 30 2005 : 2:58:57 PM
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OK, maybe 99%
not every boot, i get an error dialog box:
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| Fujitsu Display Monitor Application X |
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|(X) WMI Error: Error accessing class instance! |
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This has no effect that I can detect on the operation of the system, pen, rotate, hand writing req. none.
I can't find an assiciated entry in the system log/event viewer.
I think it started with the install of Norton AV 2002. and i just noticed during live update that Norton also uses something called "WMI"
Lastly: when I shut down, I hear the little music, then the screen goes black(activly black), with just the mouse in the center. Up to 12 seconds later, the mouse pointer disapears and the screen cuts off anyone else have this under XP?
Again, I would like to blame Norton, I use Norton 2000 on all older systems, but it dosn't run on XP so i had to upgrade to 2002, i don't like it as well. |
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The_Giz
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
55 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu P510's
Fujitsu 3400
Fujitsu 3500 |
Posted - Jan 30 2005 : 4:44:03 PM
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WMI (Windows Management Instrumentation) is built into the OS and it's essentially a database application. I can pretty much guarantee that the problem is not being caused by your Norton install.
Is your Device Manager "clean" (no problem devices)?
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sid6.8
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
72 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu Stylistic 3400
Barbie(tm) Magnadoodle |
Posted - Jan 30 2005 : 5:58:13 PM
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Other than the intel 8255 lan which I disabled... I never plan to use this slate in the dock, and wanted to get rid of the disconnected network adapter icon in the system tray.
I just got similar info from a friend, he thinks that it was the plethera of windows updates, that i did at about the same time as the Norton install. He seems to recolect that there is an update to the WMI in the current batch of updates, and that this may have broken the fujitsu driver.
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sid6.8
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
72 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu Stylistic 3400
Barbie(tm) Magnadoodle |
Posted - Jan 30 2005 : 7:34:14 PM
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Here is some more dirt:
For test purposes, i renamed penmon.exe, so the registry could not find and run it on startup. this caused the ceasation of the annoying dialog error. in landscape mode everything was still perfect. in Portrat mode I had screwey pen activity.
I fixed the rename, found in the device manager the cic penx filter mouse device and re/updated th driver to the orignal Fujitsu pen driver. rebooted. on reboot, got the famous tablet not initialized error. then updated the device, now named something like 3400 fujitsu pen with the CIC mouse filter driver. rebooted.
No error, everything worked in landscape and portriate mode. SUPER COOL!!!!
Wrong! for continuity testing, i rebooted again. and the WMI error came back.
I wonder if the XP update f's it up, then i fix it, then XP detects tampering and f's it up again? Any thoughts? |
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The_Giz
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
55 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu P510's
Fujitsu 3400
Fujitsu 3500 |
Posted - Jan 30 2005 : 9:24:18 PM
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You might want to take a look at the thread on this forum where Phoenix and I were tossing this subject around (Penmon and WMI). I currently have it working on my 3400's and 3500 (different beasts, different pen driver, different penmon), but I'm not madly in love with the solution.
I'm hoping some new blood on the subject will bring enlightenment and alternate approaches.
Giz
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sid6.8
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
72 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu Stylistic 3400
Barbie(tm) Magnadoodle |
Posted - Feb 01 2005 : 5:16:08 PM
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The worst bit is that it works for one boot, i am sure that XP's "advanced self repairig abilities" are in this case self un-repairing.
I had some other issues with fujdrv.sys trying to install to c:\winnt as would be appropriate for NT/2K, but problematic in XP.
I am having trouble recalling, and hate to kill a system to findout, is the system directory user definable in the default installation of XP, or only in an unattended. I would like to install win XP to c:\winnt and see if that dosn't facilitate the use of the fujitsu win2K drivers, as the destination "winnt" seems to be hardcoded into some of them.
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The_Giz
Tablet PC Ponderer
USA
55 Posts
My Tablet PCs: Fujitsu P510's
Fujitsu 3400
Fujitsu 3500 |
Posted - Feb 01 2005 : 6:02:37 PM
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"i am sure that XP's "advanced self repairig abilities" are in this case self un-repairing."
Based on my experiences I don't actually think that's the case. And I do have penmon running properly on both the 3400's and 3500's under XP.
But like I said, I'm interested in anything that you discover.
Giz
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GRock
Tablet PC Trainee
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Posted - Feb 15 2005 : 7:58:24 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by sid6.8
Well I did it. XP went on easy as possible, the only exception was, my script for installing the SAS/ctrl-alt-del soft-hardware fouled. This was because XP´s system directory is "windows" not "winnt" as I thought.
Other than XP and Office 2003 making my 20gig drive seem a little cramped everything is running smooth.
Also, I thouoght to myself,what diversions(read games) would work nicely with a pen only. So, I installed classic Diablo with the no CD hack, works awesome. Unfortunatly, I couldn't get classic Myst to run. The hold up is that the video driver under XP will not allow me to reduce the color pallete to 256 as isrequired by the game. Any ideas?
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